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P.S. I will include some unusual photos in this Forum, too, but after that, we will have very hard discussion surely!
I am awaiting for..!!
I thought as much!!
Ciao
qualcune oltre Tartarughe mie
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the turtles that are are under are completely dipped in the water?
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Yes, dear Sir, you are right, and it is good notice. Some Authors, scientific and experienced breeders recommending to wash Tortoises into small quantity of water, i.e. with total depth of few centimeters only. I found, it is wrong - in small quantity of water like this, they cannot clean themself completely. They cannot get water inside well, cannot give exscrements out well, cannot work with intestinal tracts powerfull.
I am always washing them into water size till top of Tortoise head. So, in the beginning the Tortoise go down into water completely, and stay in this position for some time. After that, asking for air, the Tortoise is go up, lift heads from the water out. This activity is making good urination of Tortoises, good intestine functions and colon empty.
Do not worry due to deep water for Tortoises. They carrying it very well, and reselts are perfect. They will never drown inside of deep water.
Then, this type of washing is also very suitable in the case of Upper Respiratory Tract Disease in Tortoises. To evitate very agressive treatment through injection use, I am always preffering to wash sick animals into deep water two times daily(with proper solution of wide activity antibiotic solution inside), then make adequate inhalations in highly covered terrariums, and finaly - giving antibiotic drops in their nose and eyes. This treatment making me fully satisfied, and I am achieving perfect results. The first improvement is appearing in one week only, but full treatment need 4 to 5 weeks depending on infection level!
Yours faithfully, Marco
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Ciao Marco ho capito perfettamente
Quindi hai una grande famiglia amante delle tarta, non se ho capito bene, allevi anche quelle acquatiche ma solo poche specie?
Si, io allevo anche qualche aquatiche, ma perche queste vogliono condizioni piu complicati, e anche cibo differente, io preferisco lavorare con specie terrestri al primo livelo. Farro qualche photo delle mie aquatiche anche, per vedere quale sonno!
Saluti da Marco
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Quante specie esotiche allevi?
G. pardalis babcocki, G. elegans, M. tornieri,
aspetto future allevo di G. platynota, G. radiata, I. elongata.
Non parlo a T. horsfieldi ssp., T. k. kleinmanni e T. k. werneri, T. g. antakyeinsis, T. g. anamurensis, T. g. armeniaca, T. g. cyrenaica, T. g. flavominimaralis, T. g. terrestris, e T. g. floweri come specie esotiche.
Anche lavoro molto da importare qualche subadulti G. chilensis dall Uruguay, a qualche Gopherus berlandieri adulto da Messico. Lo so che tutte le due sono molto complicate, ma voglio provare. Dobiamo vedere che cosa succedera!
Quanto spazio occorre per suddividere tutte queste specie?
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Quanto spazio occorre per suddividere tutte queste specie?
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I am having around 2 ha of land (with small lago inside, very good for European Water Turtle = Emys orbicularis), and 3 small buildings with terrariums inside. The first one is bigger, 30 square metters, and the second two are smaller, i.e. 24 square metters/each. I am keeping cold climate species inside during cold weather season, as well as offsprings temporary, plus few Water Turtles species, too!
But, of course, some Tortoises and Turtles are inside of my family home everyday, as well as 4 Uromastyx Lizards, too (U. ornatus and U. aegypticaus)!
Yours truly, Marco
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I am having around 2 ha of land (with small lago inside, very good for European Water Turtle = Emys orbicularis), and 3 small buildings with terrariums inside. The first one is bigger, 30 square metters, and the second two are smaller, i.e. 24 square metters/each. I am keeping cold climate species inside during cold weather season, as well as offsprings temporary, plus few Water Turtles species, too!
But, of course, some Tortoises and Turtles are inside of my family home everyday, as well as 4 Uromastyx Lizards, too (U. ornatus and U. aegypticaus)!
Yours truly, Marco
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What you say is much various one from what we know and from what we practice, sincerely I have always had fear to dip them in cosi much water (I have had ugly experiences of turtles you drown) but if you say to us that it's an optimal solution and that news is also an optimal cure is one much beautiful one. But this method you has been suggested from some expert veterinary in resisted them or is fruit of your experience?
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Yes, dear Sir, you are right, and it is good notice. Some Authors, scientific and experienced breeders recommending to wash Tortoises into small quantity of water, i.e. with total depth of few centimeters only. I found, it is wrong - in small quantity of water like this, they cannot clean themself completely. They cannot get water inside well, cannot give exscrements out well, cannot work with intestinal tracts powerfull.
I am always washing them into water size till top of Tortoise head. So, in the beginning the Tortoise go down into water completely, and stay in this position for some time. After that, asking for air, the Tortoise is go up, lift heads from the water out. This activity is making good urination of Tortoises, good intestine functions and colon empty.
Do not worry due to deep water for Tortoises. They carrying it very well, and reselts are perfect. They will never drown inside of deep water.
Then, this type of washing is also very suitable in the case of Upper Respiratory Tract Disease in Tortoises. To evitate very agressive treatment through injection use, I am always preffering to wash sick animals into deep water two times daily(with proper solution of wide activity antibiotic solution inside), then make adequate inhalations in highly covered terrariums, and finaly - giving antibiotic drops in their nose and eyes. This treatment making me fully satisfied, and I am achieving perfect results. The first improvement is appearing in one week only, but full treatment need 4 to 5 weeks depending on infection level!
Yours faithfully, Marco
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Yes, dear Sir, you are right, and it is good notice. Some Authors, scientific and experienced breeders recommending to wash Tortoises into small quantity of water, i.e. with total depth of few centimeters only. I found, it is wrong - in small quantity of water like this, they cannot clean themself completely. They cannot get water inside well, cannot give exscrements out well, cannot work with intestinal tracts powerfull.
I am always washing them into water size till top of Tortoise head. So, in the beginning the Tortoise go down into water completely, and stay in this position for some time. After that, asking for air, the Tortoise is go up, lift heads from the water out. This activity is making good urination of Tortoises, good intestine functions and colon empty.
Do not worry due to deep water for Tortoises. They carrying it very well, and reselts are perfect. They will never drown inside of deep water.
Then, this type of washing is also very suitable in the case of Upper Respiratory Tract Disease in Tortoises. To evitate very agressive treatment through injection use, I am always preffering to wash sick animals into deep water two times daily(with proper solution of wide activity antibiotic solution inside), then make adequate inhalations in highly covered terrariums, and finaly - giving antibiotic drops in their nose and eyes. This treatment making me fully satisfied, and I am achieving perfect results. The first improvement is appearing in one week only, but full treatment need 4 to 5 weeks depending on infection level!
Yours faithfully, Marco
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Voglio includere some fotografie disponibili. La prima e una G. platynota grande. Non lo so chi ha mandato questa foto a me, ma io ho in mio archivo.
Dopo, sono due fotografie della G. elegans leucistica. Ho ricevuto ona offerta dalla Thailanda. Quell animale e natto in cattivita, con i tutti documenti necessary. Ma, quell Signore vuole US$ 8,000.00 per giovane leucistico (corpo 3.50 inches, paresse 8.30 cm).
Some years before, maybe 5 - 6 years before, I have got one offer from Pakistan for 2 leucistic G. elegans, too, and they asked US$ 5,000.00 for both of them. But, independing I could get import-permit on that time, I had not money avialable to buy these two gems!
Yours sincerely, Marco
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Dopo, sono due fotografie della G. elegans leucistica. Ho ricevuto ona offerta dalla Thailanda. Quell animale e natto in cattivita, con i tutti documenti necessary. Ma, quell Signore vuole US$ 8,000.00 per giovane leucistico (corpo 3.50 inches, paresse 8.30 cm).
Some years before, maybe 5 - 6 years before, I have got one offer from Pakistan for 2 leucistic G. elegans, too, and they asked US$ 5,000.00 for both of them. But, independing I could get import-permit on that time, I had not money avialable to buy these two gems!
Yours sincerely, Marco
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