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Maria,
innanzitutto posso chiederti di dove sei?
Mi stupisce il fatto che tu probabilmente ti traduci i nostri post e poi rispondi in lingua. Complimenti.
Allora ...
ho letto in questa discussione che l'amico le ha importate dall'uganda. Ma... come si importano delle tarta in modo legale?
Dear fried,
I am from north of Serbia. As I wrote earlier, I understand italian language perfectly, and no problem in it to me. The only problem is, I cannot write in Italian perfectly, peche "mi mancano le parole". From this reason only, I am pressed to write in english.
Then, it is possible, of course, to import live Tortoises in legal way. In past, it was also possible to import some wild catched specimens (W) from different African and Asian countries, due to yearly export quote available. But, right now, it is possible to import different species on the base of CITES permits with source "R" (ranched specimens) or "C" (captive bred). There are many different breeding stations worldwide offering good quantity of different age "R" and "C" specimens.
I do not know about import-regulation in EU countries exactly. Few years ago, it was not so complicate to get import-permits in my country. It was necesary to provide two permits by side of Government Authorities, i.e.
- health protection permit, i.e. import-permit issued by side of Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, Veterinarian Service - in relation with any species of live animals, protected or unprotected; and
- ecology protection permit, i.e. import-permit issued by side of Ministry of Science and Nature Protection, CITES Department - in relation with Appendix I species only.
So, it was only necessary to provide CITES import-permit for Appendix I species. For Appendix II species and unprotected species, it was unnecessary to apply for Import-permit to CITES Department of us. We should have CITES export-permit issued on the place of origine only!
So, normaly, I could provide Import-permits in 2 weeks of time only (for unprotected and Appendix II species), with total costs of its issuance of Eur 55.00 only. For Appendix I species, it asked some more time, but not over 1 month of work, and total costs of 85.00 Eur!
Then, everything changes, and in past 3 years, it is very, very difficult, practicaly impossible to provide necessary permits for live animals imports. We still need to provide two different import-permits, but independing on enormously increased costs to do it, there are so many complication in CITES import-permit issuance, and the people refuse to apply in it.
We are pressed now, to ask CITES Department for imports of any species of live animals, inside and outside from CITES, too. Then, we are pressed to provide plenty of costly documents to do it, by Serbian and supplying contry's origine, and after that - wait for months.
So, it is very, very difficult to me to import or export something. and instead to buy animals of my interest from direct sources (selected by my own side), in necessary quantity and age for my future bred of these species on my farm over here - I am pressed to buy them from second of third hand, with poor availability to get what I would like exactly..... There is nothing to do, unfortunately!
On the other side, as I know, it is more easier to import "R" and "C" live Turtles and Tortoises to EU, and much more to USA, Canada, South Africa, Asian and South American countries. They are also accepting live Turtles and Tortoises species under source "W", if yearly quote issued in country of origine is accepting their export. So, there are different import regulations, and I am thinking we are having the worst one now!
In the mantime, I received photos of Leopard Tortoises originate from Uganda once more, and I would like to show it to you. The one french's live animals importer is offering these animals, but independing they are of bigger size than the same species earlier offered by side of czech's friend of mine, I am less satisfied with them. The reason is very simple, I have seen on received photos, he is keeping big size G. pardalis together with some quantity of young to medium size Hermann's Tortoises. It will not make me happy at all. Evidently, he is interested in money only, much more than to satisfy potential clients, i.e. Tortoises lovers interesed to have these animals in his personal bred!
Warmest regards, Marco
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